Talk:The Smiling Man/@comment-9340689-20130522124300/@comment-10699248-20140106235846

@pyro

Jeff came first.

interesting note

the writter of jeff the killer is unkown.

jeff was written in 2005.

the dark knight came out in 2008, and featured a version of the joker resembling the description of jeff in the story (description, not picture).

My theorie: the writer of jeff the killer went on to become the costume designer for TDK.